I believe she took both together . HOWEVER , transfer factor or any colostrum tends to be chemically "delicate"
I have read . Because of this, i would not take them at the same time .
Actually, with the TF , I do not to take any other supplements within an hour of taking it , to avoid interactions or the possibility of it becoming denatured . It is too pricey to risk losing the effectiveness intended.
Others may have different opinions, but i have read info suggesting it is best to not take anything else when you take the Tf.
They will make the TF's less effective. If the live pathogens in the TF's aren't able to "tickle" the immune system, they cannot produce the immune response which trains the body's immune system to kill those pathogens.
The TF's are so expensive that it is a shame to do anything to make them less effective.
i just bought a bottle of tranfer factor plus by 4Life and olive leaf extract is one of the immune boosting ingredients (along with beta-glucan, mushrooms, etc.) added to the actual transfer factor. perhaps that helps answer your question, though you might want to contact the manufacturer of your tf to get a definitive answer.
She was stable in her symptoms but still taking OLE and colostrum. She took a trip from the west coast to the east coast and reflared. Next I knew she was on MP.
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PS I just read your post to the young man from the UK who posted. I am impressed with all you have learned (and retained). I feel I have forgotten or not retained sooo much.
I also read an old post from you to me about Dr. Lapp..opps..didnt see it. No, I never felt he was cutting edge after he and Dr. Cheney went their separate ways. He, I'm sure, still knew more than the average doc, but internet has soooo much info for us.
As far a Rich Carson and juicing, I have heard about organic, whole foods, juicing, etc...forever. Have I done it. No. I am only at a point now that I have the energy to do it. But I think there is a reason in life for everything. So...NOW I will. lol
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I finally started OLE about 5 or six days ago. A couple of days later I went to an exercise class. Boy, did I ever have deep muscle aches afterward. And had more muscle pain than usual for the next several days. It is getting better.
I take the reaction as a good sign.
Right now I am taking the OLE daily, Immune Transfer C on Monday, Wed. and Friday mornings. Mycoplus on Sunday nite, Monday nite and Tuesday nite.
Eventually, I will mix up the days I take them so the pathogens will be confused!
Thanks for all the info Spacee. I'm not even sure which type of TF to start with. I have tested high viral loads of EBV, CMV, ParvoB19 and HHV6a. I was thinking ImmuneCare64. What would you suggest?
By the way, what is Mycoplus?
I'm currently working with Dr. Enlander in NYC utilizing Hepapressin (bovine version of Kutapressin), ImmunoProp (glutathione, mag, sel, B12, etc), HGH injections, Klonopin, Elavil, and many supplements over the years.
I really respect Dr. Enlander. How lucky you are to have him as a doc. Except that he doesn't use TF's that I know of.
I think that the Immune 64 would be an excellent place to start. Their product is the same price as Immune Transfer C here and it targets HHV6 A&B. It also comes in a three capsule a day dose. That way you could start out with one and see if you have a strong reaction to it. And work your way up to three a day.
Rich Carson on his difficult road to recovery used Immune Transfer C and Mycoplus (along with mercury detox and juicing)
I have never been tested for Mycoplasms but the Marshall Protocol addresses them. When I was on their protocol I did herx so I know that I have them. When I read about Rich, I decided to try the Mycoplus. I really like it alot. After some intial herxing I started feeling strong enough to do some serious exercise classes.
Mycoplus is sold at this site but they don't advertise it. Don't know why. It cost about $145 a bottle of 30.
I do love the Olive Leaf Extract too...I mean $10 a bottle!
But I just take it when life is calm...like no holidays. It seems to be killing something.
You are more than welcome for anything I know. The TF's don't work for everyone but for the ones that they help they are a lifesaver.
Many, many thanks Spacee for all the info. Yes, you are correct that Dr. E does not utilize TF,,,,forgot why, but I did ask once. I've also seen Dr. Levine in Manhattan and she feels they break down in the stomach acids and never reach cellular level.
I have previously tested positive for mycoplasmas and have done almost 2 years on AB. Recently I had a bout of bronchitis that required an AB, think it was Levaquin. Man or man did I herx like the devil. Got rid of the bronchitis real quick but I was virtually bedridden from the AB.....makes me think something is at play still.
After years of CFS and also a sick child with CFS, divorce due to CFS, lost of work due to CFS, I have drained many of my resources in search of relief. Everything is so pricey. Now I have to be very picky about what I'm spending my meager SSDI on.
I had been on Kutapressin for about 16 years when it was no longer made. Because of this site I was able to read about TF's and picked Immune Transfer C because it targeted EBV and one of the HHV 6's that I knew that I was positive for and Kuta. targeted.
Without Kuta or Immune Transfer C I would be mostly homebound. Klonopin has helped me alot with the burning skin pain thought too.
Then when Rich Carson wrote about the Mycoplus Transfer factor I decided to try it and it helps too.
Yes, I agree they are pricey. To help with the cost, I took the Immune Transfer C long enough for my body to fill the full effect. Then I cut back to taking it Wed, Thurs, Fri. and Sat. and I take the Mycoplus Sun, Mon and Tues. I might vary it some but that is basically it for me.
That way I get both in my body each month but pay for what one would cost if taken daily. Each of these costs about $140 for 30 capsules.
If push comes to shove, I will take 1/2 a capsule to still take it but cut the price. I haven't tried that yet but I have gone off Immune Transfer C and went 2 months 3 weeks before I noticed any adverse reactions.
Mikie posts alot about pulsing. She is able to get by with taking 2 capsules every 6 weeks. That REALLY cuts the cost. I believe that she also will pulse an ABX and AV as needed. At least she did for a while. She also owns a zapper to kill pathogens. I really don't know anything much about it though.